Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president, is satisfied with a proposal by the
European Union's Swedish presidency addressing his demands to modify
the EU's Lisbon Treaty, his office said on Friday.


The statement effectively removes the final sticking point for ratification of the treaty.

Will the Tories hold a referendum ? I don't think so.

Matthew. wrote:Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president, is satisfied with a proposal by the
European Union's Swedish presidency addressing his demands to modify
the EU's Lisbon Treaty, his office said on Friday.


The statement effectively removes the final sticking point for ratification of the treaty.

Will the Tories hold a referendum ? I don't think so.

Au contraire.William Hague will hold a referendum for the British people, mark my words.

Dave for PM wrote:

Matthew. wrote:Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president, is satisfied with a proposal by the
European Union's Swedish presidency addressing his demands to modify
the EU's Lisbon Treaty, his office said on Friday.


The statement effectively removes the final sticking point for ratification of the treaty.

Will the Tories hold a referendum ? I don't think so.

Au contraire.William Hague will hold a referendum for the British people, mark my words.

I thought that that the Lisbon Treaty was now ratified ? Doesn't that mean that the Tories cannot hold a referendum ?

Thats it finished, the Tories can't do anything about it.

Austin Sheridan wrote:Thats it finished, the Tories can't do anything about it.

Really ? And what would you know ? I'm a true Conservative fan, and I've had word from William Hague himself that a referendum might be held within the next 6 months.

The Lisbon Treaty was wrong from the start.

The Conservatives came out and said to the country, "We can't do a referendum on the treaty", pure and simple, they were honest with the country.

I have the firm belief as a party member that the Conservatives will strive for British Sovereignty in Europe and hopefully keep the euro and federalism out!

kylet15 wrote:The Lisbon Treaty was wrong from the start.

The Conservatives came out and said to the country, "We can't do a referendum on the treaty", pure and simple, they were honest with the country.

I have the firm belief as a party member that the Conservatives will strive for British Sovereignty in Europe and hopefully keep the euro and federalism out!

You want to know something ? I think exactly the same thing, and this Labour government, who would happily sell its country to the EU, need kicking out immediately. Your posts have made me think that Labour are nothing more than spineless little rats. It makes me sick just thinking of Gordon Brown and his cretins.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Matthew. wrote:

I thought that that the Lisbon Treaty was now ratified ? Doesn't that mean that the Tories cannot hold a referendum ?

Actually, they can hold a referendum. But it wouldn't be legally binding. Article I-6 of the EU Constitution states that EU law has primacy over national law. That's been confirmed by the ECJ several times. Since the member state Governments all ratified the treaty, when it comes into effect, it becomes EU law.

Good bye British freedom and self-governence. Britain RIP 1707-2009

UKIP-Andy wrote:Good bye British freedom and self-governence. Britain RIP 1707-2009

Well, it's not quite that bad.

Parts of the treaty do things like increasing the role of national parliaments - they will now be able to veto a proposal and also get a larger say in suggesting changes to treaties. It also says that the President of the EU has to be elected - before, the presidency has rotated between member states.

Additionally, some changes aren't actually all that much of a change. The ECJ now has fining powers. The ECJ or European Court of Justice determines if a state, organisation or corporation is breaking EU law. It's not all that much of a change because previously, the commission would fine these groups on the basis of ECJ rulings.

Then there are some absolutely despicable changes. For example, the ECB (European Central Bank) will now be recognised as an EU institution. The ECB is controlled by the very rich. There are no democratic controls whatsoever. It is highly subject to corporate lobby groups and corporations' actions themselves. It is not democratic control over the economy and corporations, as they claim, it is corporate control over the EU.