Should Scotland become an independent country and run its own affairs?
Austin Sheridan MYP MSYP

Austin Sheridan wrote:Should Scotland become an independent country and run its own affairs?
Austin Sheridan MYP MSYP

Why should you be given independence ? Answer me that, please.

Dave for PM wrote:

Austin Sheridan wrote:Should Scotland become an independent country and run its own affairs?
Austin Sheridan MYP MSYP

Why should you be given independence ? Answer me that, please.

Isn't that what he is asking you ?

Matthew. wrote:

Dave for PM wrote:

Austin Sheridan wrote:Should Scotland become an independent country and run its own affairs?
Austin Sheridan MYP MSYP

Why should you be given independence ? Answer me that, please.

Isn't that what he is asking you ?

Well, I was asking him because he has piqued my interest over the matter. Is that okay ?

My view on Scottish Independence is this.

It doesn't work, we don't want it, we don't need and we'll be damned if its forced upon us by the SNP.

The Economics of Independence don't work. It hasn't got support of many Scottish People, it has no real benefits and I'll emigrate if Scotland becomes independent.

kylet15 wrote:My view on Scottish Independence is this.

It doesn't work, we don't want it, we don't need and we'll be damned if its forced upon us by the SNP.

The Economics of Independence don't work. It hasn't got support of many Scottish People, it has no real benefits and I'll emigrate if Scotland becomes independent.

Hear hear, young chap. I totally agree with what you are saying. However, I do not approve of your emigration to England.

Dave for PM wrote:

kylet15 wrote:My view on Scottish Independence is this.

It doesn't work, we don't want it, we don't need and we'll be damned if its forced upon us by the SNP.

The Economics of Independence don't work. It hasn't got support of many Scottish People, it has no real benefits and I'll emigrate if Scotland becomes independent.

Hear hear, young chap. I totally agree with what you are saying. However, I do not approve of your emigration to England.

Who says I'd move to England? but what would be the problem with it.

We're all one country, a United Kingdom. There is no problem in my opinion with people from the English Region moving to the Scottish Region and vice-versa, from the Welsh to the Northern Irish and so on so forth. We're regions of the UK and nations aswell.

kylet15 wrote:

Dave for PM wrote:

kylet15 wrote:My view on Scottish Independence is this.

It doesn't work, we don't want it, we don't need and we'll be damned if its forced upon us by the SNP.

The Economics of Independence don't work. It hasn't got support of many Scottish People, it has no real benefits and I'll emigrate if Scotland becomes independent.

Hear hear, young chap. I totally agree with what you are saying. However, I do not approve of your emigration to England.

Who says I'd move to England? but what would be the problem with it.

We're all one country, a United Kingdom. There is no problem in my opinion with people from the English Region moving to the Scottish Region and vice-versa, from the Welsh to the Northern Irish and so on so forth. We're regions of the UK and nations aswell.

But while you seem a sound guy, won't you be contributing to the problem of increasing immigration in England ? Since Labour took over, many English people are a minority.

Dave for PM wrote:

kylet15 wrote:

Dave for PM wrote:

kylet15 wrote:My view on Scottish Independence is this.

It doesn't work, we don't want it, we don't need and we'll be damned if its forced upon us by the SNP.

The Economics of Independence don't work. It hasn't got support of many Scottish People, it has no real benefits and I'll emigrate if Scotland becomes independent.

Hear hear, young chap. I totally agree with what you are saying. However, I do not approve of your emigration to England.

Who says I'd move to England? but what would be the problem with it.

We're all one country, a United Kingdom. There is no problem in my opinion with people from the English Region moving to the Scottish Region and vice-versa, from the Welsh to the Northern Irish and so on so forth. We're regions of the UK and nations aswell.

But while you seem a sound guy, won't you be contributing to the problem of increasing immigration in England ? Since Labour took over, many English people are a minority.

I think Immigration is a good thing. For those who have skills and there are jobs open in that skill, we should have open arms as they help the economy. What I'm against in immigration is those with no skills, no intention of contributing to the economy and just coming for our benefits system.

If we have proper caps and immigration control, things might not be as bad as they are.

kylet15 wrote:
It doesn't work, we don't want it, we don't need and we'll be damned if its forced upon us by the SNP.

'Tis why the SNP are calling for a referendum.

The Economics of Independence don't work.

First of all, they do. Secondly, there would actually be a surplus in revenue by quite a bit. Besides which, the state is increasingly becoming less important in economic terms.

It hasn't got support of many Scottish People,

That depends on whom you ask. The thing with statistics is that we won't know for sure until the referendum. While that won't be an accurate measure of support for independence, it will show the demand for independence (they're different things).

it has no real benefits.

Apart from greater democratic accountability, the reduction of the democratic deficit, reduction of individual taxation, the removal of nuclear weapons from Scottish waters, greater financial viability of renewable energy and reduction of Scottish nationalism for a start.

DSF wrote:

The Economics of Independence don't work.

First of all, they do. Secondly, there would actually be a surplus in revenue by quite a bit. Besides which, the state is increasingly becoming less important in economic terms.

The latest projections that given current Scottish Taxation levels and including North Sea Revenues, we'd be standing at a 6bn defecit in our finances. Its 9bn if you include the capital spending budget.

kylet15 wrote:
The latest projections that given current Scottish Taxation levels and including North Sea Revenues, we'd be standing at a 6bn defecit in our finances. Its 9bn if you include the capital spending budget.

To be honest, a lot of public spending programs are a load of crap.

But what certainly should be noted is this. Shall we presume that the Scottish National Party will be in power just after independence is achieved?

Well, there would be a less-than proportional military expenditure - the UK has the second largest in the world and i'd presume Scotland would take a much more moderate position.

There would be no nuclear weapons expenditure, since the SNP is anti-nukes, not to mention that the Scottish Government would not allow nuclear weapons in Scottish waters - thus rejecting them.

Scotland's miltary proportional cost would be less than 6 billion, which itself can be reduced.

Proportionally, Scotland's annual nuclear cost share would be less than 7 billion and that could be completely eliminated from the equation.

Those are the big spends but the point is that proportional calculation is not really any good for economic estimates for independence. Additionally, don't forget that Scotland can then escape the Barnett Squeeze.